n>=&gt;</span><span> </span><span>\'pulitzer_block_binding_callback_copyright_year\'</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>			</span><span>)</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>);</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>add_action</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>\'init\'</span><span>,</span><span> </span><span>\'pulitzer_register_block_bindings\'</span><span> </span><span>);</span></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Step two: create the callback function reference in the step before.</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers\"><span>pulitzer_block_binding_callback_copyright_year</span><span tabindex=\"0\" class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button\"></span><pre class=\"shiki rose-pine-dawn\" tabindex=\"0\"><code><span class=\"line\"><span>/*</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span> * Block bindings callback:</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span> * Copyright character with current year.</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span> </span><span>*/</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>if</span><span> </span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>!</span><span> </span><span>function_exists</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>\'pulitzer_block_binding_callback_copyright_year\'</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>:</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>/**</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * Block bindings callback</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * Copyright character with current year</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 *</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * </span><span>@since</span><span> Pulitzer 1.0</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * </span><span>@return</span><span> </span><span>string</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 </span><span>*/</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>function</span><span> </span><span>pulitzer_block_binding_callback_copyright_year</span><span>()</span><span> </span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>return</span><span> </span><span>\'© \'</span><span> </span><span>.</span><span> </span><span>date</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>\'Y\'</span><span> </span><span>);</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>endif</span><span>;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Step three: add the block to the pattern</strong>.</p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers\"><span>HTML</span><span tabindex=\"0\" class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button\"></span><pre class=\"shiki rose-pine-dawn\" tabindex=\"0\"><code><span class=\"line\"><span>&lt;!--</span><span> wp:paragraph {\"metadata\":{\"bindings\":{\"content\":{\"source\":\"pulitzer/copyright-year\"}}}} </span><span>--&gt;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>			</span><span>&lt;</span><span>p</span><span>&gt;</span><span>&lt;</span><span>?php esc_html_e(\'© [year]\', \'pulitzer\');?&gt;</span><span>&lt;/</span><span>p</span><span>&gt;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>&lt;!--</span><span> /wp:paragraph </span><span>--&gt;</span></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<img width=\"383\" height=\"104\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Screenshot-2025-05-09-at-15.43.18.png?resize=383%2C104&ssl=1\" alt=\"Close up of the dynamic Copyright block in the footer of the Pulitzer theme\" class=\"wp-image-40333\" />\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"reading-time\">Reading Time </h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Justin Tadlock kindly offered Norén to use <a href=\"https://github.com/x3p0-dev/x3p0-ideas/blob/master/src/Bindings/Post.php#L84-L137\">his code for calculating reading time</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8869475fd7bf672f661db0a03c21d924\">&#8220;I&#8217;ve been using his PHP snippets for 15+ years, so why stop now?&#8221; &#8212; Norén</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Functions.php is your first location to find out how <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/97bd67c0b266fde8260e8993718bcdf8c657fb13/functions.php#L275\">this block binding was created.</a> You can also see what the <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/97bd67c0b266fde8260e8993718bcdf8c657fb13/functions.php#L337\">callback function does.</a> Then, look into any of the post patterns to see <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/97bd67c0b266fde8260e8993718bcdf8c657fb13/patterns/hidden-posts.php#L26\">how it is used</a> there.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"comments-count\">Comments count </h3>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"652\" height=\"236\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/GMPsHwlXsAMHLa3.jpeg?resize=652%2C236&ssl=1\" alt=\"Single post view of the list of posts of the Pulitzer theme\" class=\"wp-image-28517\" />\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-accent-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e85aae19b9b1f711b7a643bf7ed49aba is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-10b0b56d9572aaab3748645a5aeb4932\">&#8220;I decided to add one for the comments count link on the archive pages as well. It&#8217;s crazy that a &#8220;X comments&#8221; block linking to the comments field hasn&#8217;t landed in Core yet. (It&#8217;s in Gutenberg). Slippery slope? Maybe, but I&#8217;m on a deadline, so that&#8217;s for another day.&#8221; &#8212; Anders Norén</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers\"><span>PHP</span><span tabindex=\"0\" class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button\"></span><pre class=\"shiki rose-pine-dawn\" tabindex=\"0\"><code><span class=\"line\"><span> </span><span>*</span><span> </span><span>Block</span><span> </span><span>bindings</span><span> </span><span>callback</span><span>:</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span> </span><span>*</span><span> </span><span>Post</span><span> </span><span>comments</span><span> </span><span>count</span><span>.</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span> </span><span>*/</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>if</span><span> </span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>!</span><span> </span><span>function_exists</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>\'pulitzer_block_binding_callback_post_comments_count\'</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>:</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>/**</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * Block bindings callback</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * Post comments count.</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 *</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * </span><span>@since</span><span> Pulitzer 1.0</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 * </span><span>@return</span><span> </span><span>string</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	 </span><span>*/</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>function</span><span> </span><span>pulitzer_block_binding_callback_post_comments_count</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>array</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>source_args</span><span>,</span><span> </span><span>WP_Block</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>block_instance</span><span>,</span><span> </span><span>string</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>attribute_name</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>$</span><span>post_id</span><span> </span><span>=</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>block_instance</span><span>-&gt;</span><span>context</span><span>[</span><span>\'postId\'</span><span>]</span><span> </span><span>??</span><span> </span><span>get_the_ID</span><span>();</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>if</span><span> </span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>!</span><span> </span><span>comments_open</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>post_id</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>return</span><span> </span><span>false</span><span>;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>$</span><span>comments_link</span><span> </span><span>=</span><span> </span><span>\'&lt;a class=\"pulitzer-comment-count-link\" href=\"\'</span><span> </span><span>.</span><span> </span><span>esc_url</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>get_comments_link</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>post_id</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>.</span><span> </span><span>\'\"&gt;\'</span><span>;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>$</span><span>comments_link</span><span> </span><span>.=</span><span> </span><span>\'&lt;span class=\"count\"&gt;\'</span><span> </span><span>.</span><span> </span><span>esc_html</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>get_comments_number</span><span>(</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>post_id</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>)</span><span> </span><span>.</span><span> </span><span>\'&lt;/span&gt;\'</span><span>;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>$</span><span>comments_link</span><span> </span><span>.=</span><span> </span><span>\'&lt;/a&gt;\'</span><span>;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>return</span><span> </span><span>$</span><span>comments_link</span><span>;</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>endif</span><span>;</span></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s one of the rare moments you need to look into the <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/97bd67c0b266fde8260e8993718bcdf8c657fb13/style.css#L88\">theme&#8217;s <code>style.css</code></a> to find the styling for the comment count bubble. </p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-585ecd19e40399cee9a43b313f3d01ee\">&#8220;Rare is the block theme where you don&#8217;t end up creating at least one issue in the Gutenberg repo, or think you ought to. Turns out the <code>hasIcon:false</code> setting for the navigation block only works if the navigation doesn&#8217;t have any styles set. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/61181\">61181</a>)&#8221; &#8211; Anders Norén</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"fifth-task-patterns\">Fifth Task: Patterns</h2>\n\n\n\n<p>In block themes, patterns are simply PHP files in the <code>/patterns/</code> folder. </p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can study the code for the Patterns by following the GitHub links. As mentioned above, Norén uses small php snippets with his text strings, to allow for translations.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is an example:</p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<pre class=\"wp-block-code has-000000-color has-text-color has-875-rem-font-size\"><code>&lt;!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} --&gt;\n&lt;p class=\"has-large-font-size\"&gt;<strong>&lt;?php esc_html_e( \'I have a long and storied career in the newspaper and publishing industry behind me. Testimonials are available by request.\', \'pulitzer\' ); ?&gt;</strong>&lt;/p&gt;\n&lt;!-- /wp:paragraph --&gt;</code></pre>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn more about preparing a theme to be used with multiple languages in the <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/themes/advanced-topics/internationalization/\">Theme Handbook &gt; Advanced topics &gt; Internationalization</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"the-newsletter-page-pattern\">The newsletter page pattern</h3>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https://pulitzer.andersnoren.se/subscriptions-form/\">See Demo page</a> &#8211; <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/main/patterns/page-newsletter.php\">Code on GitHub</a></p>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"581\" height=\"418\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Screenshot-2025-05-08-at-18.09.39.png?resize=581%2C418&ssl=1\" alt=\"Close up of the Newsletter signup pattern of the Pulitzer theme\" class=\"wp-image-40305\" />\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"the-resume-page-pattern\">The resume page pattern</h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The resume list is separate. It can be added on its own to an existing page. It can also be modified for a different historical timeline.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https://pulitzer.andersnoren.se/curriculum-vitae/\">See Demo Page</a>  | <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/main/patterns/page-resume.php\">Code view on GitHub</a> | <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/main/patterns/general-resume-list.php\">Code Resume List Pattern</a></p>\n\n\n\n\n<img width=\"652\" height=\"639\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/GMQS6rlXkAEl5ej.jpeg?resize=652%2C639&ssl=1\" alt=\"Screenshot of the Curriculum Vitae page made with the Pulitzer theme\" class=\"wp-image-28521\" />\n\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"contact-page-pattern\">Contact Page Pattern</h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Patterns are PHP files. You can use loops to output recurring block layouts. This includes layouts like the stack of five columns used to list contact approaches in the Contact page pattern. It makes the patterns easier to maintain.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>On GitHub: <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/main/patterns/general-contact-list.php\">Contact List Pattern</a> | <a href=\"https://github.com/andersnoren/pulitzer/blob/main/patterns/page-contact.php\">Contact Page Pattern</a> </p>\n\n\n\n\n<img width=\"652\" height=\"606\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/GMQXaJlXsAAJAPr-edited.jpeg?resize=652%2C606&ssl=1\" alt=\"Screenshot of Contact page in the Pulitzer theme\" class=\"wp-image-40308\" />\n\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"sixth-task-style-variations\">Sixth Task: Style Variations</h2>\n\n\n\n<p>On to theme style variations! These are included as <code>/styles/[name].json</code> files in block themes. Users can select them at <em>Editor → Styles</em>. Theme style variations can modify just about anything set in theme.json, but Norén was sticking to a single simple <strong>Inverted</strong> style for 1.0. Later he added two more styles, &#8220;Humanist&#8221; and &#8220;Parchment.&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"652\" height=\"586\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/GMQpkpmXQAAJtgV.jpeg?resize=652%2C586&ssl=1\" alt=\"Screenshot of Pulitzer Theme with Inverted Style Variation. \" class=\"wp-image-28527\" />\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers\"><span>Inverted.json</span><span tabindex=\"0\" class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button\"></span><pre class=\"shiki rose-pine-dawn\" tabindex=\"0\"><code><span class=\"line\"><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>\"</span><span>settings</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>			</span><span>\"</span><span>palette</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>[</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#111111\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Base\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"base\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#161616\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Base / Two\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"base-2\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#FFFFFF\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Contrast\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"contrast\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#7F7F7F\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Contrast / Two\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"contrast-2\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line cbp-see-more-line \"><span>				</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#616161\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Contrast / Three\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"contrast-3\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#4A4A4A\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Contrast / Four\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"contrast-4\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>color</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"#222222\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>name</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Contrast / Five\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>					</span><span>\"</span><span>slug</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"contrast-5\"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>				</span><span>}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>			</span><span>]</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>		</span><span>}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>    </span><span>\"</span><span>title</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"Inverted\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>	</span><span>\"</span><span>$schema</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>\"https://schemas.wp.org/trunk/theme.json\"</span><span>,</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>    </span><span>\"</span><span>version</span><span>\"</span><span>:</span><span> </span><span>2</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span>}</span></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"seventh-task-submit-to-the-repository\">Seventh Task: Submit to the Repository</h2>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-accent-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c38a0f673e5a6a90b40282c2d37eb46c is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve done another round of cleanup and polish, received the all-clear from the <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/theme-check\">theme check plugin</a>, added a proper theme description and <a href=\"https://pulitzer.andersnoren.se/\">created an info page about the theme on my site</a>.&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-accent-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e076c461daae77ab5ab339a5b96bf8ef\">Anders Norén</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"652\" height=\"225\" 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Each element reinforces the others, creating a cohesive identity readers can connect with.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>To start developing your author brand, follow these practical steps:</p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Extract core themes from your writing – recurring motifs, values, or perspectives – and incorporate them into your brand identity.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Study successful authors in your genre, noting how they position themselves visually and verbally.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Design a sustainable engagement strategy across multiple platforms that fits your writing schedule and energy levels.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Build recognition through consistent profile management across publishing platforms, social media, and professional networks.</li>\n</ol>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><img src=\"https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/26a0.png\" alt=\"⚠\" class=\"wp-smiley\" />Branding isn&#8217;t about creating a false persona, and authenticity resonates more than perfection.</strong> Let your unique voice guide your branding decisions, and readers will naturally connect with both you and your work.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Storytelling and voice: Making your brand uniquely yours</strong></h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The most effective author brands maintain narrative consistency across all touchpoints – books, newsletters, social media posts, and author interviews. 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Maintaining a <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/\">YouTube</a> channel, like authors <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@christopher_paolini\">Christopher Paolini</a> and <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@XiranJayZhao\">Xiran Jay Zhao</a> have done, allows readers to connect with your personality beyond the page.&nbsp;</p>\n\n\n\n<p>They’re also great examples of the different approaches authors can take regarding their content. 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This could include book discussions, writing process insights, or behind-the-scenes glimpses of research trips.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Beyond YouTube, simple visual consistency across platforms can also dramatically increase recognition. When readers see the same professional headshot, color scheme, and typography across your website, book jackets, and social accounts, they subconsciously register a cohesive brand.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Several tools help maintain this visual consistency without requiring graphic design expertise. <a href=\"https://gravatar.com/\">Gravatar</a>, for instance, provides profile management that ensures your image appears consistently across hundreds of websites and platforms. This visual continuity builds recognition while simplifying the technical aspects of maintaining your author brand across the internet.</p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Building a multi-platform author presence</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Being on multiple platforms is great. It lets you cast a wider net on potential audiences, and it keeps you in the loop. However, there is one drawback – you don’t actually own any of those profiles. If a platform goes down, so does your profile, and while some of them look eternal, none of them are (remember MySpace?).&nbsp;</p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is why your author website should be the central hub of your online presence –&nbsp;a permanent digital home where readers can find your complete bibliography, background information, upcoming releases, and blog content. Unlike social media platforms that come and go, your website remains under your control, making it an essential foundation for long-term brand building.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>For authors using <a href=\"https://wordpress.org/\">WordPress</a>, the <a href=\"https://blog.gravatar.com/2024/10/23/upgrade-author-profiles-with-the-gravatar-block-for-wordpress/\">Gravatar author block</a> can automatically sign off blog posts with your profile information, providing consistent branding while boosting your site&#8217;s SEO through proper authorship markup.&nbsp;</p>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"660\" height=\"426\" src=\"https://blog.gravatar.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/5-gravatar-profile-block-customized.png?w=660\" alt=\"5 – Personalized Gravatar author block for WordPress\" class=\"wp-image-3172\" />\n\n\n\n<p>This simple implementation helps search engines understand who created the content, potentially improving visibility for your work.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Still, you shouldn’t write off other platforms completely, despite their potential brevity. A multi-platform approach allows you to meet readers where they already spend time online, expanding your reach beyond those who actively seek you out.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https://twitter.com/\">X</a> (formerly Twitter) has long been a primary platform for authors to share thoughts, engage with readers, and connect with publishing professionals. Now, it is slowly being overtaken by <a href=\"https://blog.gravatar.com/2025/02/06/bluesky-handle/\">Bluesky</a>, and the idea behind it is the same – share immediate thoughts and updates and connect quickly with your readers.&nbsp;</p>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"660\" height=\"509\" src=\"https://blog.gravatar.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/6-raymond-e-feist-bluesky-profile.png?w=660\" alt=\"6 – Raymond E. 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And a lot of people are enamoured by the philosophy.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, coming specifically to the WordPress community, we have recently had some really good events. So these are in a youth camp format. I was involved in one of them. And there was an event called WP Campus Connect that was held in Ajmer, Rajasthan, which is held by Pooja Derashri. So these events, they were experiments really, but they&#8217;ve been quite successful, especially I would say the WP Camps Connect event. It&#8217;s been fantastic.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Like, it was an event series, and as a result of those events, I don&#8217;t know the numbers, but off the top of my head, at least 200 to 300 people, 300 kids, they got introduced to WordPress directly. I&#8217;m not just talking about, you know, setting up websites, they got an introduction to the community. And those efforts are really paying off. We are seeing these people coming into the community and being active.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So the gist of what I&#8217;m saying is, yes, you are right. We are seeing an open source movement and we, a lot of these young kids, I mean of course a lot of them, as you said, they move to proprietary technology, but they have more of a window into open source as they blossom.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:13:40] Nathan Wrigley: The interesting thing I suppose about that is, given the long march of history and having many decades into the future, that groundswell amongst the younger people now is going to paint a really interesting picture in a couple of decades time. So in the 2030s and the 2040s, it&#8217;ll be interesting to see how that movement, the young people obviously going into the marketplace, and getting a job in some industry or other, it&#8217;d be interesting to see how that all plays out.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because one of the things that I always notice when I go to WordCamps is that age thing. 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It definitely has an effect because when I started organising events for the community in 2016, we got a lot of the young kids and I am seeing them.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So it&#8217;s been eight years. I&#8217;m seeing the same people, they&#8217;re making waves. I know three or four specific examples of folks who got into the community as college students and then really went places. So if we are able to, when I say we, I&#8217;m referring to the WordPress community, or specifically the Indian WordPress community. If we are able to leverage it well, and if we manage to keep the momentum and grow it, I would say the sky is the limit. So I am super optimistic and extremely excited about where the future lies for WordPress in India.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:15:25] Nathan Wrigley: So that was supposed to be like a one minute aside, and there we go. We&#8217;ve had a really interesting conversation about what WordPress is doing in your part of the world. Thank you for that. That was really interesting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let&#8217;s pivot now to the article. And I&#8217;m going to, in the show notes, I&#8217;m going to link everybody to an article which Hari wrote towards the latter part of last year, so 2024, September. And it was called WordPress Contribution Health Dashboards: An Experiment.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, obviously if you are in the WordPress ecosystem and you&#8217;ve been here for many years, you will have no doubt figured out how complicated and tangled WordPress is. Not just the community, but the software, the code, the events, the different teams which make up WordPress, the multitude of ways that you could become involved.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I think it would be fair to say that if you were new to WordPress, that could be pretty overwhelming. It would be fairly easy to sort of step into the community and think, what? Where do I belong? Where do I fit? Where is my experience best used? 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But that&#8217;s a brief summary of everything that we&#8217;ve done.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:21:48] Nathan Wrigley: Perfect. We&#8217;ll get into that bit in a moment, the resource intensiveness of it. But just an observation from my point of view is that, typically, I think if you were to do this experiment in a corporate environment, the data would go to the board of directors, if you know what I mean. So that they could inspect that and figure out how to, I don&#8217;t know, cut out waste, or figure out who needed to be employed, where people needed to be pushed around in the organisation in order to maximise things.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But whole point in a corporate environment would be the data would end up going north. It would end up towards the senior management way of looking at things. But this is not that. This is a democratised way. In effect, it&#8217;s kind of the opposite. 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So that would mean Core committers, team representatives, anyone really.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And again, like you said, the beauty of WordPress, it belongs to everybody. So that&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s supposed to be, right? So we want to make sure that anyone can benefit something from it. So if it&#8217;s a new contributor, they can find out which projects need help. They should be able to identify the areas that they can contribute directly to.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>For leadership, they should be able to see the leading indicators or like the areas where the project is doing really well. And the lagging indicators, where a project needs help so they can make better decisions. And they should be able to change the project goals alongside, by understanding the data. So essentially it is aimed at everybody, not just the top down folks. And that is the hope that we came to this with.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:55] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, perfect. 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So that at some point it will be less about figuring out how to make the data meaningful and more about, okay, now everybody look at the data and draw conclusions from the data.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it sounded from your description as if we&#8217;re still in the, how do we even get the data in? How do we recycle the data? How do we pull it in, regurgitate it and display it ?Again, is that about right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:25:03] Hari Shanker: You are 100% right. That&#8217;s exactly where we are in at this point. I think I shared some of the background earlier. The challenge is, we are working on data, it&#8217;s a lot of work. I know this because I did a lot of the work in creating the pages that we have.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Unfortunately, we do not have a tool that gets all the data from all the sources. Any tool that we have, it will need to be customised extensively, and that needs developer help. We do not have a ton of data engineers in the WordPress community. 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And really what would be ideal is a portal, for want of a better word, where people can go and see and mine the data for themselves, and display it in interesting ways, and can consume it, and then decide how they&#8217;re going to display that and drill down in different ways. And obviously that requires automation.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, okay, we&#8217;re recording this kind of the gap between May and April in 2025. If you could, and I should probably say, you know, the listenership to this podcast is fairly wide. If you could ask for people to come and assist with this project, what kind of people at this moment in time are you looking for. You mentioned that you know, there&#8217;s not many people who are really interested, maybe in data manipulation and what have you, in the WordPress project. Just give us an idea of who you would wish to speak to you after they&#8217;ve listened to this podcast.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:27:45] Hari Shanker: Anyone really. I&#8217;ll share why. The beauty of WordPress, and I think I&#8217;ve explored different open source projects and I think the beauty of WordPress is there&#8217;s something for anyone. So a big part of what we need to do is research. And in the sense of, what do people need to measure?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So any feedback that folks can give on what they would like to see in a dashboard, that would be helpful. So if you are a listener to this podcast and you have ideas on what you would like to find out, that feedback itself is a big contribution. That will go a long way. That is a big part of the information that will help us.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>On the next level, I would like to have developers who are familiar with Python and data visualisation and things like that. We have explored different ways to do this. I&#8217;ve spoken with several Core committers and folks like Jb Audras who, I mean, Jb Audras does a ton of this amazing work. He publishes release information.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So I was inspired by that. 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It&#8217;s not impossible. Perhaps we can build something, build some very simple dashboard, identify some core KPIs. Maybe have two or three dashboards per team, which can be really filtered. Maybe that is possible. Maybe we don&#8217;t need a tool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So we need those developers, and folks with experience in data visualisation. Even like Core developers, like folks who have significant experience tinkering with Meta and Core and all that. So all these folks, if we are able to bring them together, I think we can do that. So I invite all of them to work on this.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:30:29] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. So if any of that is making sense to you, can I just ask you to go to WP Tavern. Search for the episode with Hari, H-A-R-I. That&#8217;s probably all you need to know. Search there in the Tavern search and hopefully this episode will pop up. And from there you&#8217;ll be able to link in the show notes to the piece that is described where you can find all of the links to the people contributing, but also Hari. Are you open to people contacting you directly and beginning conversations with you one-to-one?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:30:57] Hari Shanker: Absolutely, absolutely. So at this time, as I shared on the beginning of the podcast, my time is slightly limited, but I&#8217;m more than happy to bring people together. That is my strength. And Courtney Robertson, she&#8217;s also very interested in this project. So like, between both of us, I think we can wrangle something and we can keep this moving.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because I firmly believe that WordPress needs this. And if folks are able to volunteer their time, I&#8217;m more than happy to bring people together and to keep this project moving. So please, feel free to ping me directly. I&#8217;m Hari Shanker in the Make WordPress Slack. That&#8217;s H-A-R-I-S-H-A-N-K-E-R. As you said, Nathan, folks can comment in the Tavern blog post as well. So any way you can find me, I will find you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:32] Nathan Wrigley: It feels to me like, you know when you go into a great big store or a shop, and I&#8217;m going to use supermarket as an example, where you&#8217;ve never been to that one before. You&#8217;re looking for a particular item. And you can literally spend so many minutes, hours even just searching around. You know, where&#8217;s the aisle? Okay, I found what I think is the right aisle. Now, in the aisle, which shelf am I looking for? And then, where is it?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>This feels like that. It feels like signposting to, here&#8217;s the thing you want. You&#8217;re standing at the door and I&#8217;ll just grab you by the hand and I&#8217;ll take you to the thing that you need to purchase right away. It feels like these dashboards are going to be something akin to that. 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I hope you also have a great weekend! </p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yours, <img src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.1.0/72x72/1f495.png\" alt=\"💕\" class=\"wp-smiley\" /><br /><em>Birgit</em></p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><strong>Table of Contents</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/four-block-plugins-three-events-two-live-streams-one-course-and-more-weekend-edition-328/#0-word-press-release-information\">Developing Gutenberg and WordPress</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/four-block-plugins-three-events-two-live-streams-one-course-and-more-weekend-edition-328/#0-p\">Plugins, Themes, and Tools for #nocode site builders and owners</a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/four-block-plugins-three-events-two-live-streams-one-course-and-more-weekend-edition-328/#upcoming-events\">Upcoming events</a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/four-block-plugins-three-events-two-live-streams-one-course-and-more-weekend-edition-328/#2-word-press-6-0-1-and-6-1-scheduled\">Theme Development for Full Site Editing and Blocks</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/four-block-plugins-three-events-two-live-streams-one-course-and-more-weekend-edition-328/#3-building-themes-for-fse-and-word-press\">Building Blocks and Tools for the Block editor</a></li></ol>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"0-word-press-release-information\">Developing Gutenberg and WordPress</h2>\n\n\n\n<p>On April 30, <a href=\"https://wordpress.org/news/2025/04/wordpress-6-8-1-maintenance-release/\"><strong>WordPress 6.8.1 Maintenance Release</strong></a> came out. Aaron Jorbin wrote in the release post that this minor release includes fixes for 15 bugs. These fixes span throughout Core and the Block Editor. They tackle issues affecting multiple areas of WordPress including the block editor, multi-site, and REST API.  The top three fixes are: </p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>A fix addresses the regression <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/69923\"><em>Meta boxes area showing unwanted resize handle</em></a>. It also addresses the issue that breaks auto-scroll. This was discovered right after the release of 6.8.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Edit Site link is restored to its earlier link behavior. It links to the respective template displayed on the front end. (<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/63358\">#63358</a>). </li>\n\n\n\n<li>The REST API&#8217;s handling of sticky posts has also been fixed.  (<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/63307\">#63307</a>, <a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/63339\">#63339</a></li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<p>For a full list of bug fixes, please refer to the&nbsp;<a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/04/28/wordpress-6-8-1-rc1-is-now-available/\">release candidate announcement.</a></p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p><img src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.1.0/72x72/1f399.png\" alt=\"🎙\" class=\"wp-smiley\" /> The latest episode <a href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast/gutenberg-changelog-117-woocommerce-starter-theme-and-blocks/\">Gutenberg Changelog 117 – WooCommerce Starter Theme and Blocks, WordCamp Europe, and Gutenberg 20.7 and 20.8</a> I sat down with Ellen Bauer, WooCommerce product lead and discussed what she is working on, WordCamp Europe, Create Block Theme, WP-CLI, Gutenberg 20.7 and Gutenberg 20.8 releases. </p>\n\n\n\n<img width=\"652\" height=\"184\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screenshot-2025-05-10-at-12.16.57.png?resize=652%2C184&ssl=1\" alt=\"Ellen Bauer and Birgit Pauli-Haack recording Gutenberg Changelog 117\" class=\"wp-image-40375\" />\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"0-p\">Plugins, Themes, and Tools for #nocode site builders and owners</h2>\n\n\n\n<p>In his post, <a href=\"https://theadminbar.com/building-a-custom-image-gallery-with-the-image-gallery-block/\">Building a Custom Image Gallery with the Image Gallery Block</a>, <strong>Kyle Van Deusen</strong> provides guidance. 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My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case, podcasting and finding inspiration in WordPress stories.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice. Or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the podcast, I&#8217;m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox, and use the form there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So on the podcast today we have Bud Kraus.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bud&#8217;s name might ring a bell in the WordPress community, not only for his teaching and writing, but also as the host of the Seriously, BUD? 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So, where do you think the future of all this podcasting is going? I mean, what&#8217;s podcasting going to be like in a couple of years, according to you?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:20:38] Nathan Wrigley: I will give you the answer to that in about.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:20:40] Bud Kraus: I&#8217;m sorry for interrupting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:20:41] Nathan Wrigley: No, no it&#8217;s fine. I will give you the answer to that in a few weeks time. I&#8217;m going to, one of the biggest podcast shows in the world is held in London every May. I&#8217;m going to be going to that. 10,000 attendees. You know, I&#8217;m in this little WordPress bubble of podcasting, but it&#8217;s an absolutely gigantic industry. It&#8217;s occupying one of the biggest convention spaces in the UK in London, in Islington, if you&#8217;re a person that knows London. I will give you more of an answer then because it&#8217;ll be interesting to see what the trends are.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, we did have a bit of a bump in credibility in podcasting for a while, and then I think it plateaued a little bit or perhaps went down. But more recently, I think it&#8217;s been going up again.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>The reason I think it remains popular is the same reason that talk radio hasn&#8217;t gone away, is because you can really get into the subject matter. If you&#8217;re really into WordPress, then there&#8217;s a bunch of WordPress things, or if you&#8217;re into, I don&#8217;t know, skiing, there&#8217;ll be skiing podcast and what have you. And the crucial bit for me is that you can do other things at the same time.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:21:43] Bud Kraus: Well, that&#8217;s where I was going to go too, which is talk about a mobile media. You could take it wherever you go. You don&#8217;t have to sit at a computer or anything, it&#8217;s in your headphones.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:21:52] Nathan Wrigley: If you&#8217;re stuck in your own house, you know, just doing chores, it can be done at the same time. And even things like mowing the lawn, which is typically quite loud and probably would&#8217;ve gotten in the way, the noise canceling headphones that you can have nowadays. And for me, basically, when I&#8217;m not doing something which requires my eyes to be on something, if I&#8217;m alone and I&#8217;ve got nothing else to do, you can more or less guarantee that I will have a podcast plugged into my headphones.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:22:19] Bud Kraus: Well, you know, this is the perfect medium for the legally blind. I ought to know, I&#8217;m speaking from experience here, but it is, it&#8217;s all ears.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:22:27] Nathan Wrigley: So, I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t really have an intuition about where it&#8217;s going to go, but I don&#8217;t see any signs of it as a medium going away. Because I think we all love to listen, well, not all of us, but many of us really enjoy listening to other people and their stories, and their trials and their tribulations and their expertise and whatever it may be. I think it&#8217;s going to stick around</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:22:50] Bud Kraus: Now, you&#8217;re so lucky because you have those golden pipes, I have nothing. I have this old man&#8217;s voice. God, I would do anything like if AI could clean me up and make me sound like you, I know it could. That gives me an idea.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:02] Nathan Wrigley: You&#8217;re very kind. I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;ve captured entirely what my.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:06] Bud Kraus: Oh no, I remember, whoa, hold on a second. I first saw you and heard your voice when you were doing the agency summit and you&#8217;re doing all those intros. I don&#8217;t know how long ago was that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:15] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, probably about, I don&#8217;t know, 7 years or something like that, yeah.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:18] Bud Kraus: Yeah. And I was listening. I go, oh, I&#8217;d like to. Who&#8217;s this guy with a voice?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:22] Nathan Wrigley: You know we talked about editing bits out.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:25] Bud Kraus: That&#8217;s going to be edited out. Don&#8217;t you dare. You better not or you&#8217;ll be hearing from me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:30] Nathan Wrigley: We&#8217;ll see. We&#8217;ll see if it makes it. Okay, let&#8217;s, dig into your podcast. We&#8217;ve talked a lot about how we go about making podcasts. What is the plan? What do you do during that podcast? Yeah, just tell us what you do on typical episode and what are you trying to achieve there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:44] Bud Kraus: Okay. Well, I&#8217;m trying to get an unexpected conversation. I always say it&#8217;s an unexpected conversation of so and so in the WordPress community. What I do is a guest first has to come to my site and fill out a form, which everybody says is ridiculously long. And I mean, you know, I ask about like almost, every question I could think of. What&#8217;s your blood type? Things like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then I, before the show starts, I really don&#8217;t do any prep, very little. But before the show starts, I&#8217;ll look at what you submitted, I&#8217;ll look for a question, my first question, whatever it is. And it&#8217;s not going to be like, where were you born? Okay. It&#8217;s going to be like how come you like to smoke or something, you know? What&#8217;s that? It&#8217;ll be something like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Off we go. The show does not follow a linear progression, because that&#8217;s, I look at it like if I&#8217;m talking to you like at a bar or something like that. 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When you&#8217;re in real life, at least for me, I&#8217;m rude enough to say to somebody, okay, enough, let&#8217;s go on.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:25:01] Nathan Wrigley: So the intention then is to sort of figure out the personality behind the thing. So let&#8217;s say, for example, it&#8217;s somebody that we&#8217;ve all heard of in the WordPress space, they&#8217;ve got a thing, we&#8217;re all familiar with the thing that they&#8217;ve got. Okay, we know that about them. That&#8217;s a given. So your idea is to drill in and figure out, okay, just tell us something quirky and interesting about you, your life, and let&#8217;s talk about that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:25:23] Bud Kraus: Yeah, I mean, I try to ask like crazy questions to elicit some unusual, crazy response. And sometimes it happens, you know? Sometimes it does and sometimes it does. A couple of things. one I find the older you are, the more interesting you are to me, because you&#8217;ve lived a life. 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You know, the other thing too is I do interviews with people that English is not their first language, and you&#8217;ve got to keep that in mind. You&#8217;ve got to give them the space to go slow, let them talk, and then do a lot of editing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because what they tend to do is have what I call warmup words, where they&#8217;ll say the, the, the, the, and I don&#8217;t want four the&#8217;s, one is enough, So I&#8217;ll cut out the three the&#8217;s. That&#8217;s very typical of somebody where English is not the native language, because they&#8217;re thinking of how to say something. And I don&#8217;t necessarily think that makes for a good listening experience. So out it goes, and then they sound really good. You know, and I can think of a whole lot of people that, you know, I&#8217;d made them sound a whole lot better.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, I want to tell you another little quirky thing about the show. I always think like, well, when I do Nathan Wrigley, which I&#8217;ve done, right? wow, everybody&#8217;s going to be listening to that episode, you know? Because he&#8217;s so well known. Now this is not necessarily you Nathan, but it doesn&#8217;t work that way. It does not work that way. At the end of the day, I&#8217;ve realised I don&#8217;t know how many people listen to an episode, there&#8217;s so many factors. But one of them is not how well known they are. That is not a factor. Contrary to Bob Dunn, who when I first started this, he said, well, if they know the person, if people are really well known, then everybody will listen to that episode. Not true.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:27:41] Nathan Wrigley: Well, I guess maybe there&#8217;s that whole thing, who would listen to a podcast with me on it, because they can always listen to podcast with me on it, because that&#8217;s what I do. So yeah, that makes sense. And also, if you&#8217;ve heard from them, whoever the guest may be in a thousand different places, then yeah, I can understand that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:27:57] Bud Kraus: It turned out to be sort of like the lesser known people, if you will. They get more plays. It&#8217;s just that people are just more curious. You know, they maybe they&#8217;ve heard of that person and they&#8217;re a little more curious.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or, here&#8217;s the other thing that really increases. If so and so, let&#8217;s say it&#8217;s somebody in India or Australia or whatever, you know If they wanted to share this with their family and their friends, I see a lot of that kind of stuff going on. You get a lot of plays. So I look at, my podcast as not a WordPress podcast per se, and that&#8217;s why I think it has legs and, potential beyond the WordPress world.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:28:28] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that was another question I was going to ask. Because you&#8217;re not really bound by anything other than, here&#8217;s a human being who can speak, and they&#8217;ve got a story to tell in some way, or at least we&#8217;ll try and pull a story out of them. I was going to ask if you were going to expand it beyond WordPress and just see where it leads you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:28:43] Bud Kraus: I have no interest, but I have people coming, friends and stuff, will you interview me and stuff? No, I&#8217;m not interested. I don&#8217;t have time for that kind of stuff, There&#8217;s enough fascinating people in the WordPress world, and it&#8217;s definitely a way for people to get to know other people in the WordPress, see that&#8217;s, you know, it&#8217;s a platform. So that they can get to know you, me, whoever it is, beyond the typical, what&#8217;s your WordPress journey stuff, or what do you do with WordPress? It&#8217;s the story. It&#8217;s the person. It&#8217;s the biography.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:29:09] Nathan Wrigley: Have you ever had episodes that you were not able to get something that you&#8217;d hoped out of it? So in other words, you pressed record and then by the time you&#8217;d finished the episode, you thought, oh gosh, that didn&#8217;t work out as anticipated, or that just went off the rails, or there was nothing of interest there. Let&#8217;s can that one and either retry it or just bin it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:29:30] Bud Kraus: Well, I&#8217;ve had two, one episode that the interviewee said, I don&#8217;t want you to air this, so, okay, I didn&#8217;t. And then another one said, there was a whole thing about something that this person said, I had it cut out because this person did not want me to air it. So I did. But for the most part, no. Now some of them I get off and I go, wow, that was really great. I do have that, like, whoa, what a story. And then sometimes it&#8217;s just okay, it didn&#8217;t go anywhere, or I thought it&#8217;d be better or whatever. So, I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t know everybody that I interview and, the more I do this, the fewer people I really know, which is good.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:30:07] Nathan Wrigley: I set the expectations, like I said, with shared show notes, but also prior to hitting record, I mean, I know you so we didn&#8217;t do so much of that, but I always make time to, maybe even like half an hour or something just to chat before we hit record. So I&#8217;ll make sure that we just talk. And very, very often, very often I will do a call with somebody who wants to be on the podcast but doesn&#8217;t know if they can do a podcast. And we&#8217;ll just have a chat. And at the end of that chat, I&#8217;ll say, that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s like. Do you want to record it another day? And I&#8217;ve yet to find somebody that&#8217;s turned me down on that basis.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:30:45] Bud Kraus: You know, that&#8217;s an excellent point. because I&#8217;ve had a few people where English is not their language and they&#8217;ll say, well, I&#8217;ve never done a podcast. Now Anna Hurko, I was the first person, right the CEO of Crocoblock. My podcast was her first, her episode went through the roof. Absolutely went through the roof. And now you can&#8217;t get her off podcasts Like I see, she&#8217;s everywhere now, which is great. I love it. And you know, English is not her first. She speaks 85 languages, so it was great. Anna was fun. It&#8217;s an adventure. I guess it&#8217;s fun. I mean, God, Nathan, I have fun at everything I do, whether I&#8217;m writing, or spot podcasting or, you know, talking to you even.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:23] Nathan Wrigley: Even, yeah.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:24] Bud Kraus: One last thing I was about before the show, I try to keep that very short. Because I don&#8217;t want to not record something that&#8217;s really good. And I&#8217;ve noticed that a lot of really good stuff was being said before and after the recording. So I don&#8217;t want for that to happen. I want it to be recorded.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:40] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, it&#8217;s interesting because I have the opposite intuition. I have the intuition that if I get to know them, and put them at their ease, that rapport that is built up over 20 minutes or half an hour, will then lead to a better experience because we&#8217;ll both feel a little bit more relaxed and comfortable.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:54] Bud Kraus: Well, for what you do and how you do it, that makes a lot of sense. For me, it doesn&#8217;t because I&#8217;m going to leave stuff out. Now, here&#8217;s the problem though, and you probably realize this too. If you don&#8217;t know somebody, you don&#8217;t have a pre-established speaking pattern, and you tend to step on their words and they tend to step on yours. But like you and I, we pretty much have talked to each other, you know, for a while and different times. And so we now know, this is when I stop and this is when he stopped. You know, that kind of thing. It&#8217;s really hard when you&#8217;re first talking to somebody on a podcast and you don&#8217;t know them, boy, you&#8217;re going to be stepping on each other like crazy, in many cases.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:32:29] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that&#8217;s kind of curious. So here&#8217;s an interesting thought then. You said that you&#8217;re enjoying it, which is lovely. I still very much enjoy doing podcasting. I have to pinch myself. What about the scenario where you have made podcasting the center, the fulcrum of what you do, and how you earn your money, and the sponsorships and all of those kinds of things. And then what if you don&#8217;t enjoy it anymore? Would it be a bit like the clients, would you be willing at that point to drop podcasting? Or do you feel like this is you for life now, this is what you&#8217;re doing?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:32:58] Bud Kraus: This is it now. I have to say, there are some days, if you ask my wife, that I get, oh, it&#8217;s not growing. It&#8217;s like flattened out. It&#8217;s like, she goes, because I realise well, what else are you going to do? There&#8217;s nothing else for you to do. This is like the perfect thing for legally blind people. What else are you going to do?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:33:14] Nathan Wrigley: You&#8217;re going to keep going.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:33:15] Bud Kraus: Well, as long as, I mean, I&#8217;m not a kid. I&#8217;m sort of, you know, on the senior side of life. But there&#8217;s no reason to stop as long as I can keep doing it, you know? And I just got started doing it, so who knows.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:33:26] Nathan Wrigley: The barrier to entry is low. The enjoyment is high. So it sounds like the perfect way to spend the next few years certainly.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;ve discovered that about 35 to 40 minutes is about the sweet spot for a podcast episode, because it seems be the attention span that most people have got.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So that is a neat little segue for me to say we&#8217;re at minute 37 and a half, which is more or less exactly in the middle of that sweet spot. So I&#8217;m going to ask you just to sort of sign off. Tell us where we can find you. Where is the website, as in the URL? I know we&#8217;ve said the name of the podcast many, many times, but where can we find you? And where do we find you on socials and things like that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:34:03] Bud Kraus: Oh God. Alright I have a website called seriouslybud.com It&#8217;s kind of easy to remember if you can remember the name. One little quick thing, I know we&#8217;re running out of time. 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I&#8217;m very flattered and very excited about it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:04:02] Nathan Wrigley: So before we get stuck into what it is that you are doing here, and that&#8217;s going to be the focus of this conversation around the topic of, well, I&#8217;ll explain that in a moment. Would you just tell us a little bit about who you are, what kind of work you do in the WordPress space and who you work for?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:04:16] Ryan Welcher: Sure. Well, I am a developer advocate. I&#8217;m sponsored by Automattic. I&#8217;ve been with Automattic for, I guess it&#8217;s going to be my third year. Prior to that I was, I used to work at 10up, I&#8217;ve been at a bunch of agencies. I&#8217;ve been using WordPress as a developer since maybe 2009.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;ve been around in this space a while and, yeah, my current role is a lot of fun. I get to do things like this. I get to chat with people in exotic places, and go to conferences and lead workshops and write code that nobody ever has to use in production. It&#8217;s fantastic.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:04:43] Nathan Wrigley: So you&#8217;ve got a really public facing role. Is that the kind of job that you&#8217;ve always wished to do, or is it something that you more or less fell into?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:04:51] Ryan Welcher: If you&#8217;ll indulge me with a bit of an anecdotal story here. When I first started in web work, I used to do a lot of work with Flash. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m aging myself by saying that, but we used to do a lot of work in Flash. And there was this conference called Flash in the Can, and it&#8217;s still around now, it&#8217;s not called that anymore. And there was this guy who used to work for Adobe, his name was Lee Brimlow. I think that&#8217;s how you say it. He was a platform evangelist. His job was literally go to conferences and give really fun, cool talks on the latest, greatest in Flash.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I remember seeing this guy, going, this is like my dream job. This is phenomenal. And I just wasn&#8217;t at a place in my career where there was anything like that. And then, fast forward however many years later, and there was an opening for Dev Rel. And I was like, yes, this is exactly what I would love to do.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I love writing code. I&#8217;ve always enjoyed being a developer, but now this is kind of like, I&#8217;m also pretty outgoing, extroverted, so this kind of fills both. You know, I get to write code and like my dream is just like sitting down writing code with some obscure API, and that&#8217;s literally all, like I just get to tinker, and that&#8217;s what I love about it. It&#8217;s so much fun.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:05:50] Nathan Wrigley: And is that full-time then?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:05:52] Ryan Welcher: It is, yeah. I&#8217;m full-time. Yeah, it is fun. It is very cool. And I realise fully how lucky I am, because this is a fun job and I get to hang out with really cool people all the time. And being public facing is fun, but it&#8217;s, you know, it&#8217;s got its downsides too.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:06:06] Nathan Wrigley: We have this expression in the UK and it&#8217;s called painting the Forth Bridge. And there&#8217;s this bridge in Scotland called the Forth Bridge, and essentially when you&#8217;ve finished painting it from one end, you go to the other end and begin again. And I feel that WordPress, maybe for somebody in your position, is a little bit like that. It&#8217;s this constant treadmill of, okay, that&#8217;s changed. Yeah. Now we need to adapt new content. And yeah, okay, that bit&#8217;s changed over there in the meantime. New content. Is that what it&#8217;s like a bit?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:06:37] Ryan Welcher: A little bit, yeah. I mean it&#8217;s, when we started, there wasn&#8217;t really a Dev Rel team for the open source project that is WordPress. We were like, you know, there&#8217;s a joke, it&#8217;s like, yeah, there&#8217;s five of us or six of us for 43% of the internet. So there&#8217;s like a lot of work to be done, right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so there&#8217;s a lot of that. We are doing a lot of work around documentation and all that sort of stuff, so it&#8217;s like improving that. But every release, there&#8217;s like a new cycle of things that, you know, the new stuff like 6.7, all the block binding stuff and, you know, Interactivity API and all that really cool, fun stuff.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And we get to do that, but then it&#8217;s like, okay, well then now there&#8217;s new changes to the Interactivity API, so we have to kind of like talk about that a bit and stuff. It&#8217;s always new, but then there&#8217;s always, I love it when we&#8217;re like, hey, remember that bug that people have been talking about for two years? Like, oh, it&#8217;s fixed now. So we get to also be the harbinger of really good news about things like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:07:23] Nathan Wrigley: And do you get to put your own roster together of work each week, or does it come in from on high?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:07:28] Ryan Welcher: We kind of, it&#8217;s usually based around the next release. So whatever&#8217;s coming out in the next release, there&#8217;s always sort of like, you know, the featured items that are coming out. So that kind of dictates what we focus on for the next release.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>There&#8217;s no like on high declaration of what we need to work on. It&#8217;s more like we&#8217;re fairly autonomous in what we do, but I mean, it makes the most sense. If there&#8217;s like new features coming with the next version of WordPress, we should probably get that out and, you know, talk to developers and get people testing it and get people working with it, so we can take that feedback, good and bad, and give it back to the teams that are actually working on those features and stuff like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:07:59] Nathan Wrigley: So given that it&#8217;s a Dev Rel job, developer relations, is that your target audience? It&#8217;s definitely developers, a hundred percent developers, not novices?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It could be a 101 article on how to use WordPress or, you know, a video piece of content or something like that. Right up to, okay, here&#8217;s the nuts and the bolts of exactly how this thing works.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:08:22] Ryan Welcher: Yeah, exactly. Like, I did an article on the developer blog, developer.wordpress.org/news. It was on like the internals of webpack, which is like, if you&#8217;ve ever messed with webpack, nobody ever wants to deal with internals of webpack, but WordPress handles it. It does this really elegant thing where you don&#8217;t have to actually install packages that WordPress provides. It kind of like all of a sudden just uses the ones that are coming, that are with the install.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So like explaining all that, it&#8217;s cool, I get to nerd out and get right into the details but, you know, it&#8217;s not for everyone. Yeah, but then we&#8217;re like, I&#8217;ve also written our articles on like an introduction to SlotFill or an introduction to Block Variation so, yeah.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:08:55] Nathan Wrigley: It feels like, if we were to rewind the clock like three or four years, there wasn&#8217;t so much emphasis put on documentation, knowledge base articles, video content, learn.wordpress.org. But it feels like in the last two or three years, a much greater emphasis has been put on getting the pieces of documentation right. Getting the Learn resources, you know, putting the courses together and those kind of things. Just looking at it from the outside, that&#8217;s what I think. But is this on the internal side, is this what&#8217;s happening?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:09:22] Ryan Welcher: Yeah, there&#8217;s definitely a focus on that. I mean, when you&#8217;re a developer and you don&#8217;t have the resources to get the answers that you&#8217;re looking for, that&#8217;s extremely frustrating. We&#8217;ve always had documentation, we&#8217;ve had, you know, it&#8217;s like 20-year-old documentation. It&#8217;s been around a long time.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But we&#8217;ve spent a lot of time improving that. Like, we&#8217;ve focused a lot on the Block Editor Handbook because block development is something that can be very difficult, especially if you&#8217;re coming from, you know, solely a PHP background, and you&#8217;re not really up to speed on React or you just don&#8217;t know JavaScript as deeply as other folks do.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I mean, our job is to like make that transition easier, as much as possible, right? So that&#8217;s why there&#8217;s a lot of tooling around it that abstracts away the things, like the scripts package, which is like the build process that the Gutenberg plugin uses it, but it&#8217;s also like the defacto build process for building blocks.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>That handles all that webpack stuff, that handles all that config stuff. You just have to like build your files. Like, you don&#8217;t have to worry about that. So there&#8217;s a lot of trying to make life easier, simpler. And a lot of that is in improvements to documentation, but there&#8217;s also like quality of life fixes for people who are working in the code specifically.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>You know, like I spent a lot of time working, like the Create Block package is like my baby. I absolutely love it. It&#8217;s not my baby, like I didn&#8217;t build it, I&#8217;ve just been trying to maintain it as much as I can and adding new features to make life a little bit easier so you can like reuse it and, I don&#8217;t know, I could get into the minute details.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But I love that kind of stuff because as a developer, having been one for a long time, I know what I like and I think, I&#8217;m not saying like, what I like everyone should like, but I know when something is getting in my way versus helping me. And I think that&#8217;s a really, that&#8217;s kind of like my compass that I try to work with. It&#8217;s like, okay, it&#8217;s great, but it&#8217;s done all these things I don&#8217;t need, now I have to go and delete all that and figure out all this other stuff to get around this scaffold and, I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m really in the weeds right now.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:11:04] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, yeah. But it feels like, I&#8217;m kind of asking the same question again really, about the materials being created in a much more, well, intentional way. Yeah, the backstory to that, presumably though, is that there&#8217;s more boots on the ground. And I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s, in your case, it&#8217;s Automattic sponsoring you into the project. Is there more focus on that from, well, let&#8217;s just go from the Auttomatic side, so more investment from them, yeah?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And if that&#8217;s the case, is that a reaction to anything? Like, perhaps the rise of SaaS platforms, proprietary platforms, you know, the Wixs and the Squarespaces. Because that&#8217;s interesting. It kind of feels like that&#8217;s always been talked about, you know, WordPress versus all the other platforms. Pay your $20 over there per month, and you get this, and you get access to their platform and it&#8217;s well documented and so on. So I didn&#8217;t know if it was connected to that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:11:57] Ryan Welcher: I don&#8217;t think there was any, I think that the rise of Dev Rel played a large part in that. Like, I don&#8217;t know the reasoning behind the creation of the team, that was decided before I joined. But I think that in the past four and five years, there&#8217;s been a real, like just across the tech community, there&#8217;s been a real like surge in the concept of developer relations and improving developer experience.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because I think people realise that developers, like a lot of these platforms, developers are literally their client base, right? And so I think Automattic recognised that and thought, hey, it&#8217;d be great if we had a dedicated team of folks that were just making life easier for developers. You know, I always say that there&#8217;s no, like I have no KPIs or whatever, I just make things, my mandate is to make things better, as much as possible.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:12:40] Nathan Wrigley: Where do you make things? So is it things like YouTube videos, written documentation, knowledge base articles, blog posts?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:12:48] Ryan Welcher: A bit of everything. I tend to focus a bit more on the, like I have a live stream that I do on Twitch every Thursday at 10:30 Eastern. I tend to do a lot more of that sort of stuff. That&#8217;s kind of like more my wheelhouse. I write articles. I&#8217;m not the best writer. I rely on ChatGPT to help me clean that up a little bit. I write the articles, but then I, you know, smarter brains than I help me make it nicer to read.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah, so I think we all, like everyone across our team has their own sort of strengths and we all kind of like play to our strengths a bit. Mine is definitely more like in the video side. I try to use my development experience as much as possible to do more complicated things. That&#8217;s not to say that the other folks on our team don&#8217;t either, but, I mean, I think I&#8217;m in a position to be able to be like, here&#8217;s a really complicated issue that people are having and how would we solve that? And it&#8217;s fun because I get paid to solve that. And other people who have clients that don&#8217;t want to pay them 20 hours just to fart around on a problem is, that&#8217;s where I can come in and help with that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:13:39] Nathan Wrigley: Give that to us again though. Where do you do your YouTube stuff? And what handle would that be?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:13:44] Ryan Welcher: I stream on Twitch and YouTube. I multistream to both platforms. Thursdays, 10:30 Eastern, every week.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:13:50] Nathan Wrigley: And what handle would that be?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:13:52] Ryan Welcher: Ryan Welcher Codes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:13:53] Nathan Wrigley: We&#8217;ll drop all of the links that we stumble across during this episode into the show notes. Yeah, so you can find it all there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So WordCamp Asia, the workshop that you are giving is called the Block Developer Cookbook. And I am just going to read the blurb so that you, dear listener, get some idea of what it is that Ryan&#8217;s doing. And it says, this is the second year for the Block Developer Cookbook Workshop at WordCamp Asia. Last year in Taipei, we covered lots of topics like block transforms, adding editorial notes, creating a custom format and more.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>This year, in addition to the existing recipes from the last year, we will have new ones to choose from that leverage the newest features released in WordPress 6.7, such as Block Bindings API, Plugin Template Registration API, Preview Options API and more. And there&#8217;ll be a workshop all about that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so I think your intention at this workshop, should the internet hold up, is to do like an interactive thing where the audience say, I want to do this, and you hopefully help them out with that because that&#8217;s very brave.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:14:58] Ryan Welcher: You can say that, yeah. I&#8217;ve had this idea for a while of a workshop where the attendees pick the content. Because, especially with a topic like block development, it&#8217;s like saying, come to my WordPress workshop. Like, there&#8217;s so many things, right? So like picking something for everyone is really hard.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so I thought, well you know what? I&#8217;ll build this little website and they can go in. It&#8217;s like chef theme because it&#8217;s block developer cookbooks. So, you know, you login, you have a little chef hat on your avatar and stuff like that. But you can vote on which of the recipes that you&#8217;d like to work on. And so that&#8217;s the idea. And then they vote and then we go from top to bottom. We get as many done as we can in the 90 minutes or whatever it is.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;ve been going to conferences and speaking at conferences long enough to know better than to rely on the wifi, but I thought, I&#8217;m just going to do it. So this is the second year in a row. I did this last year as well at Taipei. So I&#8217;m like super flattered that they accepted my submission is a second time in a row, so.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:15:49] Nathan Wrigley: I think there&#8217;s a push to make WordCamps a little bit more, and I&#8217;m going to use air quotes, exciting, interactive. Yeah, it seems like, you know, Jamie Marsland&#8217;s, the thing that he does with the Speed Builds, just sort of grabbing the attention of the audience a bit more. Does it feel a bit like that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And workshops, they seem to grab the audience a little bit more, because it&#8217;s more interactive. It&#8217;s kind of less being presented to and more interacting with. So I don&#8217;t know, kind of opening up the laptop, trying things out. What do you think? Is that a way that you think events should go in the future?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:16:23] Ryan Welcher: I think so too. I think for me personally, I gravitate towards workshops more than talks. I&#8217;ve given talks and I&#8217;ve done workshops before and I think I enjoy, personally enjoy the workshop aspect because there&#8217;s a lot more like interaction and back and forth. And like if you have a question, you just raise your hand and we answer, you know. And it&#8217;s just more organic, I guess is maybe how I&#8217;d describe it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But, yeah, I think you&#8217;re right. These sort of like fun interactive things. I have some 3D printed swag that I&#8217;m bringing. I don&#8217;t have nearly enough, so I&#8217;m going to have to come up with a, maybe whoever asks a question gets a, it&#8217;s a little like key chain of like a chef hat with the WordCamp 2025 on it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:16:57] Nathan Wrigley: I am sure it&#8217;ll come out on WordPress TV at some point in the near future. But yeah, good luck with that at least anyway.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But some of the bits and pieces that you are going to be talking about, we&#8217;re going to get into that now. 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But I know some of the folks that are working on it, and like just in conversation, I&#8217;m very excited. I can see where it&#8217;s going, and that&#8217;s not because I have inside information, it&#8217;s just because the logical next step, it looks really cool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Like, more blocks. Being able to do it with custom blocks will be huge once you have a custom block that you can now connect it to meta and stuff like that. There are some technical hurdles that need to be addressed to do that, but it&#8217;s going to be a big, I hate using the word game changer, but it&#8217;s going to be a game changer.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:21:47] Nathan Wrigley: One of the things which I always find interesting when I speak to people who are really in the weeds of it all, is that the stuff just, well, it just keeps on coming out. Because you are in there every day and it&#8217;s so self-evident to you. 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And there&#8217;s obviously the Interactivity API, obviously, but it is one of the most exciting things that I&#8217;ve, I mean, it&#8217;s already out and there&#8217;s just more stuff coming and they&#8217;re just doing really, really cool things. I just love it. It is so cool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:50] Nathan Wrigley: Do you think, again, just kind of dropping you into it a little bit, do you think we&#8217;re at any risk of overcomplicating the amount of things that you can do in WordPress at the minute? Here&#8217;s an example. Let&#8217;s say I just took somebody off the street and said, here&#8217;s a brand new installed WordPress website. It allows you to make content, publish websites, off you go.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>How realistic do you think it is with all the different bits and pieces that are dropping? I know you don&#8217;t have to get into the weeds of all this, but how easy do you think the UI is right now? 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And you have access to almost everything that you would need in the editor experience now, whereas you didn&#8217;t before. If you wanted to build a very customised theme, like in classic, and this isn&#8217;t like taking a shot at classic, but if you wanted to have a person post type, you couldn&#8217;t do that. You needed to edit code to be able to output that meta.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I mean, I&#8217;m sure there were plugins and stuff, but now you don&#8217;t really need to do that. You have everything that you need as long as you know where to click to find it. But it&#8217;s like, anybody who&#8217;s never used WordPress would have to figure that out in any platform. You&#8217;d have to sort that out. 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I think that&#8217;s going to, maybe not replace, but the new Stack Overflow is like these AI tools that you can ask questions on, how do I do this? I don&#8217;t know, I think it&#8217;s just changing things.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:38:45] Nathan Wrigley: I think it&#8217;s a really interesting time and it doesn&#8217;t make me feel I&#8217;m nervous. I&#8217;m more sanguine about it, in all honesty. Yeah, maybe a year ago I was kind of assuming a bit like the sky was going to fall in, but it really does appear that people who are making interesting things in the AI WordPress space are just finding curious holes, yeah. And filling them up.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Okay, so Jamie Marsland did something the other day where he put a video together where he created a little iPhone app where he could upload images and click a button and it was able to do what Jamie wanted. And I think the same will be true, you know, for clients that will come to you. I&#8217;ve got this unique problem. Maybe that would&#8217;ve taken a week of developer time in the past. Maybe now it will be able to be done in a heartbeat, in more like an hour or a couple of hours or something like that. So it makes the possibilities for real bespoke websites much more possible.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:39:33] Ryan Welcher: Yeah. And like hobbyists, kids who want to get into coding, that&#8217;s fantastic. You can just say, I want to build a website for my dog, and then all of a sudden they&#8217;re like learning by osmosis how coding works and that sort of stuff.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>The number of times that I&#8217;ve talked to a developer, and I&#8217;ve done this myself, where I&#8217;ve built a little like one-off thing, like my wife likes to track, she&#8217;s really into gut health. So like all the different like vegetables and stuff, you know, this like little point system. So I built a, just a like a really simple little app for it. It was like a weekend project. 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